
...DejaVu FM's
DJ D.Lux
First it was the A-Levels, then last week it was the GCSEs...although exam pass rates have dropped, the Government are still claiming both are too 'easy'. I still shudder from the memory of both those days, but figure if we must focus on education then like the last Spotlight Special, the least we can do is keep it based around topics that we enjoy; the kind where we listen without realising we're learning...
Recently, I had the great pleasure of sitting down with a Veteran of so many areas of this Industry, I don't think I could actually name them all. One of the most humble people I have ever met, DJ D.Lux has more than a few accomplishments under his belt but as I soon realised, is reluctantly shy to discuss them. Having met when I accompanied my friend, singer Leighanna to an interview with DejaVu FM's DJ Fearney last Summer (where I left a lasting impression by falling off my seat during their live radio show - don't ask...) and again when we worked together on Leela James' concert after party a few months later (I stayed standing that time); I had originally wanted to interview D.Lux about the complexities of running a radio station. Instead I accidentally stumbled onto a lot more than that (without bruising this time)...
Read a few familiar things about this musical pioneer, but be prepared for a string of revelations along the way...
D.Lux, it's an honour to have you Sir, Welcome! I've become a personal fan of yours through our past encounters and really want to showcase the multitude of things that you do at the Station. To understand how you got where you are though, I always like to look at the journey, so let's start at the very beginning...
Where did the name come from?

Why Swift?

Your career goes 25 years deep - where did you start though? What was your first job?
Coming up 26 years. I know, I don't look that old...

But this was 'Parents music'. 'Parents music' is not your music. My family is Calypso, Soca, music from the West Indies. The records that I would get from my Step-Dad, they weren't necessarily my music, but I had all of the Pop records from the 80s, going up. It was only when other styles of music started to come out, like Electro, that it became a thing where I thought; I'm into music, I'm around music, my family all do music, etc. But my first thing where I said, I'm taking this element of music, was when I heard a German band called Kraftwerk. As a youngster, me and a friend, we were really fascinated with this electronic music. It was different traditionally, to what our families were listening to - it was futuristic. Even the way that they would look; they looked like robots. The stuff that they were doing was unlike anything that I'd ever heard. That was the 70s; but towards the 80s, their sound and style of music had started to branch out until it got picked up by Rap-Electro music, which the bodypoppers were using. Stuff like Afrika Bambaataa and The Soulsonic Force...That was our generation.
You talk about Kraftwerk's style; how did the introduction of Electro influence the style of the times?
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So are we talking actual Street Dance like the films here and would you say that was when you chose your own personal direction musically?
Places like Stratford Centre where the Olympics is now, there used to be a shopping mall and they had the marble floor? Perfect place for the whole breakdancing thing. It was massive and it still exists to this day, there were Hip Hop Artists from the UK; groups like Hijack, Hard Noise, Duke, Demon Boyz...we had all of that growing up. That's when I started buying my own music, I wasn't relying on what was coming from my older brothers, my Step-Dad. I was doing a paper round, collecting money and buying music of my choice. So the first genre that I jumped on myself, was Electro Hip Hop / Rap.
Coming from a Soul, Disco and Classical background, I remember what it was like trying to bring 90s RnB, Rap and worst of all, Jungle into the household! What was it like trying to do the same with Electro, in a Soca / Calypso home?

And at what point did you want to go from spinning the vinyl to being spun on it? When did the Production desire kick in and how did that new phase unfold?
By say 1990, that's when as a DJ, I actually started wanting to make music. But with the equipment I had, it wasn't for making music. If you listen to some of my early productions, I used to make music using a tape recorder...I used to record loops of music and piece them together. I wanted to be like Soul II Soul, so how I sought about doing that was obviously through DJ'ing. In the area that we grew up in, there was also another DJ called Bizzy B. There were a few DJs in my school and about at the time, but Bizzy B was the one that stood out as one of the 'Big Boys'.
When I finally met up with him, auditioned and got on the label, I hadn't produced a proper tune. From going to Bizzy's studio a few times, by '91, I had done my first with his assistance; we basically did a collaboration and that's how I learned to build a tune using studio equipment. What he told me was, alright so you're on the decks, you can do all that mixing and scratching, but you can't use the equipment that all these Dance tunes are made on, so we're going to have to teach you.
The first few tunes that I did in his studio, I saw what he was using, Commodore Amigas, which was really primitive equipment and bought similar stuff. We were making Dance music and Jungle, although the name before was Hardcore; that's the first type of music that I remember actually making. That then became Jungle / Techno.
In our area at the time, the early 90s, we had Bizzy and Lennie De Ice. Lennie had a BIG Jungle track called 'We Are IE' which, a lot of people point back and say that was the beginning of Jungle music. We would all do parties at places like the 'Dungeons' of Leabridge Road, a lot of the Acid House parties and play all these tracks that we were making straight to the crowd...
From DJ to Producer by '93, through the transitions of music my road went from Electro to Hip Hop, Hip Hop to Hip House, House to Hardcore, Hardcore to Jungle, Jungle Techno. I interpreted it as 'Jungle' was seen as too 'Black', so it became 'Drum'n'Bass'. Soon as that got seen as the same, it became 'Liquid Intelligence' and so on and so on.


How did having your own record shop impact you, as a DJ and Producer?
I'd say from '94 to '96 was probably my worst period as a DJ, for that reason. I'm very critical of myself and I say that simply because - and this is why I pity some DJs today - all of the music I got was free. People were chucking tunes on me because I owned a shop, so my quality control dropped. So when I was doing my sets, it wasn't like before when I quite liked a tune, but would I buy it? When I was relying on my pocket change, I would make sure that the only tunes I was buying were the ones that I really liked. I remember doing a couple of the dances back in '94/'95 and I didn't do as good as I could have, because my selection was too wide and I had too much.
By '95/'96, I had released several tunes, I'd done the James Bond tune, which had done ok; House'n'Garage started to raise up a bit because Drum'n'Bass Producers were holding onto their tunes and DJs used to hold on to dubplates for so long. I personally experienced a decline in good tracks that I knew my customers wanted, so as a record shop, we were getting starved...
So do you think that House'n'Garage got as big as it did because Jungle started pulling back?
I experienced it from a DJ's perspective. Because Jungle music wasn't as accessible, I would have to go to Music House to cut dubplates. If I didn't get there on time, I wouldn't get that dub. They were then staying on them for far too long, so the customer in the shop wasn't getting it...Well the customer wants his music. I mean this wouldn't happen now with the Internet, but you had the customers getting starved, together with the scene reaching fever pitch. As is always the way with this Country musically; when something's 'in', that's when you get all the bandwagon people. So a lot of events were getting sabotaged by people that weren't in it for the right reasons.
Trouble started happening and venues didn't want the events; anything that's popular has it. It happens, it's gone through all of the music - Garage had it, Grime had it, House is having it now...So there was a shift in how Jungle handled itself through '97/'98 - it went back underground. It left room for a new style of Drum'n'Bass to emerge, that I personally think people like myself had an influence that was so colourful musically, in terms of I grew up listening to so many different kinds of music. With early Hip Hop there was a lot of samples of yesteryears; so I got to know Soul, Funk, James Brown, Bobby Byrd...all these different Artists. I liked the fact that I could identify with the samples in Jungle music. I loved the Ragga element. Where I grew up around Sound Systems, that appealed to me and some of my customers.
So when all of that phased out, House'n'Garage were making really good tunes and I had them. I was on Rinse FM originally as a Jungle DJ; half were DJ'ing Jungle, half were House'n'Garage and I would fit between the two.
So even with my questionable Maths, we're now in your DejaVu FM era. For someone who had spent time with so many stations, what was it that led you to strip away all the others, leaving only that one?

And what kind of 'resource' were you?
I started getting more and more bookings through deja and I was helping out the management. I was very experienced with equipment; if an amp blew, turntables, mixers, whatever, I was the Sound System guy, so they'd bring them to me. I'm in my element if I'm wiring up stuff...I'd often undo my studio, just to wire it back up. When I do events, other than playing, my favourite thing to do is set up the Sound System. Figuring out logistically, where things are going to go, I love that. I got work through going to events, amps were blowing and the guys were going "Is D.Lux in the house tonight?" and I'd go "Yeah I'm here, I'm just raving?!" I'm a good DJ, but I can admit people were mainly bringing me to things as a resource... Have him on the team because he's a DJ, but if this goes wrong, you know that he can handle that. That's been a thing throughout my whole career now.
I looked all over the Internet and found some confusing results so I think I'll come straight to you for an answer - What and who are The Dek Collectors and how did they fit into all of this?


I produced Grime tracks with several of what would be considered Grime MCs...Lethal B's verse on the 'Oi' tune, he actually performed on a track that he'd done with me, but 'Oi' came out first, so I deleted our version and put it out as an instrumental. I pulled away from it I'll be honest with you, because it wasn't really about me as a DJ. It was "D.Lux, don't bother mix it, just play the tune!" I'm a Mixer, I've got skill! Don't tell me I just have to play one tune and 20 of you MC! So I said to Diesel that I'm not on that. He could do it if he wanted, but I'd rather just DJ...
So is it fair to say that you had developed into a Specialist in those genres by that point?
I went back to music that I could mix and show, that's when I went back to doing Hip Hop and became considered as more of a cross-genre DJ, mixing up all the styles. I still kept a show on Deja, but also had a show on an Essex radio station called Renegade FM.
I hadn't realised how important Youth Work is with you until now. How did the music side of that come about?
By 2001-2002, I had set up a Music Production school. I got asked if I wanted in on a Charity teaching kids how to do music and I was brought in to run a project. I had done teaching, showing kids how to mix, so that was when I set up my first proper DJ'ing workshop. I liked it and it was stuff that I was doing anyway. So just the same way that I taught Diesel and a few of the younger MCs around, I did more and I enjoyed it - I found it quite rewarding. So I started to balance what I was doing professionally with what I was putting back into the Community. I got a buzz from teaching, mentoring and setting up projects. I was fortunate that because I had so much life experience, I was able to show these guys...I'm from the Old School; my record collection - you won't see many people with more. You get a lot of people who might criticise DJs of today - I could easily criticise; "You don't play any vinyl, you don't do this, or do that, you 'laptop' DJ..." I use a laptop to this day, and?! I've also got twelve turntables in my studio. I've got a house and a studio and a garage and a shop full of vinyl, but I choose to use a laptop as well now, and?! I use Serato - and?!

If you see a younger guy not doing it right, say to him, "Nah, this is how you gotta do it." I know that there's plenty of people that I've helped out in their early days and they're Superstars now. When they see me they say "D.Lux, Safe!" I don't want your money, I just want you to do your thing. I just look at it now as, I'm from way back when. I'm still active and I still get bookings to this day because I'm a resource to many people. But I'm going to use that to my advantage, to put back in and that's all I do. Invest into the next person and build.
Whether escapism, a love of the artform or purely in a professional regard, how has music and your opinion of it changed since day one?

When I finished, I would have to sit in front of people like Bizzy, Lennie De Ice, this person, that person and play it to them, so I had to come correct. All my early stuff, Bizzy would have to record it onto his DAT machine and that's how I'd get it cut. I had a certain quality control, where if the track wasn't ready, he would send me back to the studio and tell me "You need to sort that bit out". Because Bizzy was a busy guy and he had the DAT machine everyone used to record, I couldn't waste his time, so I had to make sure I was ready, because I didn't want to miss an opportunity when it came around and have to wait another week. I mean it's all opinions; sometimes he might have turned round and said "D, dat one nuh ready" but 5 years down the line, he might say "Actually, that's a BAD tune!"
When he finished the mix, I would have to go to Music House to cut it. When you step into a Music House waiting room, you've got Grooverider sat in one corner, there's DJ Hype, there's Jumpin Jack Frost, there's Ray Keith...Oh and there's Goldie...and Fabio's behind him and so on and so on. And I would have to sit in this waiting room, waiting to cut my tune, next to all these Legends...Do I really want to play it? Some people would cut their tune in front of them and they'd laugh! So I had so many checks that I had to go through, that I probably released maybe five percent of the music that I've actually made and finished. That's the most that's out there in the public. For my 26th year, I'm actually going to release some of the stuff I've done - there's a little exclusive for you - that's coming...

We've gone past that now...people don't even send their tracks to radio stations, they don't bother with MySpace; now they get their .mp3, put it on YouTube and count the amount of views as some kind of recognition. So now the way of thinking is; I don't care if I'm making music, making any money, I ain't gonna release anything, you can't buy this in the shop - but you can watch it on YouTube though and I got ten thousand views. People can even buy views. So really, you've just got a lot of people of today, making music that's only going through their own ears, making a tune today and by later on tonight, it's up on YouTube.

So keeping your Teacher's hat on, how would you suggest anyone reading this go from Free Internet Star to Money-Making Artist?
How I made my studio - I'd make a song, cut it, press one, two, three thousand. I'd go around to radio stations, go around to record shops and I'd sell them hard copies. Let's say I sold three thousand of a vinyl, I'd make back six grand. That would buy me something. These days the Artists are making potentially good tunes, but they have to give away a thousand, ten thousand, give their music away for nothing, just to get exposure.
I liken music today to flyers. You know when you go to a rave, come out and get flyers you might not even read, just toss it. Artists today are making music as business cards, with no intention of making money from it. They could if they understood the music business, in terms of royalties, PRS and such, but they need to be educated. If they do well enough, where they get shows and concerts, that's where the have the potential to make it back. Wiley released how many tunes for free? Prince put out his album for free; but then did a 25-date tour, where you had to buy a ticket for 'X' amount. That's where he makes his meals!
As you know from our past discussions, this is an area that I consider a bit of a black void, because you've seen and heard the very talented Artist that I work with in action. How would you advise not just myself pushing someone else, but anyone trying to break into the music Industry to stand out from the crowd? How do Artists get on your radar?
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So we've talked about how music has changed, how the hungry should go about getting ahead and the way that accessibility has changed the game in a relatively short period. But what about attitudes? What's the biggest difference between when you first started out and the current day?

I've seen that backfire on Artists in the past who chose not to soundcheck and come stage time, they've forgotten the track they were meant to perform. The band played one song and they started singing another, so they had to reload and start again. I try to help people; that is why I want to make it so these Artists have to practically fight to get on the bill. Because when you get on there, you are so going to appreciate it, you are going to do your best, you are going to wear the right clothes, you are going to take time over every bit of your preparation and you are going to nail it.
Are there any standout moments from those times where you can go back and say, I'll never forget that?
Within a couple of months of joining DejaVu FM, one of the guys that I used to engineer for, a Jungle guy, he said "I've got this Garage tune, could you help me engineer it, mix it down?" He gave me the tune, I said this is NOT Garage; this is something else, slowed-down Jungle...I finished off the tune for him, put it out and it ended up blowing up. That tune was 'Dangerous' by Same People.
Now I laughed at this because it carried so many Jungle samples...He offered me that tune and I said "No, thanks!" I tried to tell him that I was DJ'ing House'n'Garage, I said "Let me play you some...Grant Nelson, that's House'n'Garage, I don't know what this is?!" But it blew up! It's really funny because I so disagreed with him, that after he left, I changed the tune to show him what it should sound like. I forgot I'd done that and I never got to play it to him, so there is still another version of that tune that's not been released yet. I actually found it the other day, I might play it on my radio show one day...
How is We Play Music different from typical shows?

We talked about how you have made yourself a resource. I've always seen you as deja vu fm's Station Manager but, I know that is never how you would describe your role, so in your own words...
I don't run that Station. I've never, ever said that I have. I've been on there for a long time and I guess I'm very influential and I can make things happen. I'm a DJ and a resource, that's all.
So for anyone reading who wants to move from being a DJ into a similar position of far-reaching influence, with involvement in the day-to-day running of a Station - what guidance would you give them?
In that respect, I don't suppose that everyone can come up in the way that I did. The first thing that I would say is Do You. Understand what it is that You are, understand what it is that You want to do, what You dream about, what You see. A lot of the things that I'm doing today, I dreamt that I would be; so I was able to visualise. When you visualise, you start putting things into practice. As a kid, I would visualise playing at big parties on the green, or on the estate. A few years later, I was playing them. I would visualise making music...A few years later, I was actually making it. Because I was able to, things fell into place and started happening. I don't always necessarily know how they will, but I will think that if it is meant to be, then I will do it. I think positively. I know that if I put my mind to something then most times it will happen.
Be realistic with your vision and put what you need into place. Because of how things are, you need to become multi-skilled, have multiple resources and not just be a one-trick pony. A DJ needs to play music, be a blogger, know a bit about the Internet, know how to do a bit of video, know how to promote...pick up as many skills as possible. You can't just be a talent anymore, that is not enough. You have to be the full package. I've seen so many talented people who were brilliant; but they have the wrong attitude and that alone, stops them from making it. Have a package, become self-sufficient. Look around, see who else is doing something similar to you and maybe work with them.
But for me personally, as far as the radio station goes? I'm 'just' a DJ... ;o)
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I have to say a massive Thank You to DJ D.Lux for taking the time out to speak with me. It was striking how little recognition he claimed, having been responsible for so much growth and accessibility for so many Artists. Personally and professionally, Dlux is a rare man who truly makes a difference.
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Enjoy the rest of your week, folks!
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